Comments by Eric on Thu, 06/13/02 10:43
Comments by Steve-O on Thu, 06/13/02 10:53
I ain't gonna read it and you can't make me. So there!
Comments by Al Trick on Thu, 06/13/02 10:55
And the truth will set you free! :-))
Comments by ambrosia on Thu, 06/13/02 11:19
Black is black, and white is white. Any questions?
Comments by Derek on Thu, 06/13/02 11:27
Which level are you, Eric?
Comments by Tony Scheuhammer on Thu, 06/13/02 11:33
I'm happy to admit that I'm one of those "poorer rich" amateurs (Canon SLR user) who's gone "straight on to create great art"!! :))
Comments by Eric on Thu, 06/13/02 11:41
I am hopelessly in level 2 also. I didn't mean to imply that level 2 was a bad thing (after reading my post it sort of seemed that way). To me level 7 and 2 are the best, but I don't imagine I will ever be at 7.
Comments by Brian Kosoff on Thu, 06/13/02 11:47
It's very funny. I can only guess that he (ken Rockwell) thinks of himself as a "7" which is an artist. According to him, I'm a "6" which on his scale is a "wh-re". But I guess I'm in good company as Da Vinci, Michelangelo, Renoir, Ansel Adams, etc would all be "6's" as well.
Comments by David J Sullivan on Thu, 06/13/02 11:49
About the only things than belong in pigeon holes are pigeons.
Comments by Christel Green on Thu, 06/13/02 11:51
Apparently I`m a 5...
Comments by grant on Thu, 06/13/02 11:52
apparently im 0
Comments by T.S.Sullivan on Thu, 06/13/02 11:53
I don't know...personally I question anybody who talks about the spiratualality of art and then uses a YELLOW background for his page
Comments by Christel Green on Thu, 06/13/02 11:57
Good point Tom!
Comments by Derek on Thu, 06/13/02 12:06
It was very funny. I'm an amateur and proud of it. I'm too poor to even think about being a "measurbator" or "rich amateur," but maybe, from reading the article, that's a good thing. It is hard sometimes not to fall into the trap of thinking you need better and better equipment to attain a certain level of mastery.
Comments by Eric on Thu, 06/13/02 12:12
Yes, I just posted it as something funny. The guy sounds like a bit of a nut to me. There is another article on his site where he says the internet is the worst place to go for photography advice....he says this on his INTERNET site??? How ironical.
Comments by Simon Coyle on Thu, 06/13/02 12:17
I'd be a lot more impressed by this guy's column if:
Comments by Amitabh deshpande on Thu, 06/13/02 12:41
it was funny because he seemed so serious about his rating.
Comments by hil on Thu, 06/13/02 13:00
Comments by Juliette on Thu, 06/13/02 13:17
i wanna be as far from this clown as possible....consider me in
Comments by Brian Kosoff on Thu, 06/13/02 13:53
This guy is funny, he write's that;
Comments by Steve-O on Thu, 06/13/02 13:57
OK - ya got my curiosity up and now I just have to take a peek!
Comments by karen h. on Thu, 06/13/02 14:20
yeah...it is funny.
Comments by SGuy on Thu, 06/13/02 14:30
yeah uh huh. we all read his stated intent but what about the Tyson intent?
Comments by Brian Kosoff on Thu, 06/13/02 14:33
Karen if you read his other writings you'll see that his "7 levels" may be labelled satire but is consistent in it's attitude with his other writings.
Comments by karen h. on Thu, 06/13/02 14:39
oo....i am sure you are right Brian....
Comments by hil on Thu, 06/13/02 14:48
btw just noticed the pic on his frontpage (posted above) is either a left-handed camera or flipped horizontally.
Comments by SGuy on Thu, 06/13/02 14:52
Comments by Barak Yedidia on Thu, 06/13/02 14:52
It's a left handed camera. He comments on it on his "about the artist" page.
Comments by Steve-O on Thu, 06/13/02 15:28
I just got Hale Bopp. Is that an acceptable substitute?
Comments by Art Sands on Thu, 06/13/02 18:30
So Eric - are you Ken?
Comments by Warren L. Foil on Thu, 06/13/02 18:35
I'm fairly new to the site...I have no idea what y'all are talking about, but if it's a chance to scorn, deride, pooh-pooh, or otherwise make fun of someone, let me know...I'm in!
Comments by Paul Bracey on Thu, 06/13/02 20:10
hil, my very first thought when I saw that was, "Boy! SOMEBODY is overcompensating for something pretty bad!" *grin*
Comments by Art Sands on Thu, 06/13/02 20:25
Warren - you're a fast learner. :-) Some interesting posts to date also.
Comments by Jorge Recio on Thu, 06/13/02 20:40
with black bg is pretty better
Comments by Art Sands on Thu, 06/13/02 20:44
Jorge - como esta?
Comments by Garry Schaefer on Fri, 06/14/02 11:25
LOL, Jorge. Black bg! Glad to see that your sense of humour is intact. All the best to you.
Comments by hil on Fri, 06/14/02 12:22
i think art was probably correct. 'eric' aka ken...
Comments by Eric on Fri, 06/14/02 12:53
Actually I am not Ken. The biggest difference between he and I , from what I can tell of his writing, is that he seems to have a real disdain for anyone who doesn't think as he does. I rather enjoy, and get along with people who don't think like me.
Comments by hil on Fri, 06/14/02 13:02
Comments by Tony Scheuhammer on Fri, 06/14/02 13:34
don't worry eric; hil believes that there are about 1/2 the people in the world (or at least here on PC) as there really are.
Comments by poetry on Fri, 06/14/02 14:05
Tony - that many!?
Comments by Bradley James Scarbrough on Fri, 06/14/02 14:10
This is silly. I refuse to be categorized.
Comments by Tony Scheuhammer on Fri, 06/14/02 14:31
BJS - I was going to put you in the DGP category (damn good photographer), but seeing as you refuse ...
Comments by Lydia.S.K.Butler on Fri, 06/14/02 15:00
I have a canon, but that took me two years to buy on HP, and I can't afford anything else, not even a filter.....I am poor. What does that make me, I don't know anything about technology, and I have no money, and I make no money from photography, and I am starting to babble!!! Oh GOD, I post black and white fuzzy images, I think so anyway, I don't want to be level two, it sounds horrible.
Comments by Paul S on Fri, 06/14/02 20:36
Finally I had some time to visit Mr. Rockwells Web Site.
Comments by hil on Fri, 06/14/02 20:38
lets email him and ask him to visit the thread.
Comments by Paul S on Fri, 06/14/02 20:46
Actually, I did e-mail him, sorry Mr. Rockwell copy of the comment above, because first; I would like to give him a chance to defend his POV, second I need help with my homework.
Comments by Ken Rockwell on Fri, 06/14/02 22:46
Comments by Simon Coyle on Sat, 06/15/02 06:53
Comments by Barak Yedidia on Sat, 06/15/02 09:42
Comments by Eric on Sat, 06/15/02 12:05
I can't beleive the man himself is now involved in this! I honestly thought a few people would think this was funny and it would go away.
Comments by Juliette on Sat, 06/15/02 12:28
gentlemen take polaroids
Comments by Juliette on Sat, 06/15/02 12:29
lydia quite stealing my lines :)
Comments by Lydia.S.K.Butler on Sat, 06/15/02 13:31
I knew I had seen The Prisoner quoted somewhere, didn't realise it was here, SORRY JULIETTE, plaguerism is one of my pet hates too.
Comments by Art Sands on Sat, 06/15/02 13:37
This thread continues to get more interesting. I was wondering if Ken would show up at the party/fight/discussion. Maybe Larry can bring Barbie :-)
Comments by Simon Coyle on Sat, 06/15/02 14:45
Comments by Art Sands on Sat, 06/15/02 14:53
Would agree with that Simon - Ken may be a closet measurbator. :-)))
Comments by T.S. Sullivan on Sat, 06/15/02 14:59
"Gentlemen take polaroids
Comments by Michael Bond on Sat, 06/15/02 15:28
The text we were referred to was written by someone with chicken brain - his cultural references, orthography, and way of expressing his ideas lay beyond any acceptable level.
Comments by Michael Bond on Sat, 06/15/02 15:29
Sorry for my foreigner's typo - his ideas etc lay BELOW any level of acceptability
Comments by Barak Yedidia on Sat, 06/15/02 15:29
...speaking of cocky and arrogant photographers...
Comments by T.S. Sullivan on Sat, 06/15/02 15:30
Comments by karen h. on Sat, 06/15/02 15:38
Comments by Cathy Hartland on Sat, 06/15/02 15:41
Help, I am trapped in the purgatory between level 4 and level 5. Please pray for me.
Comments by Ken Rockwell on Sun, 06/16/02 10:16
I don't know what level I'm on and don't care.
Comments by Ken Rockwell on Sun, 06/16/02 10:29
Oh yeah, lest anyone think I favor any particular level, I need to
Comments by Brian Kosoff on Sun, 06/16/02 16:56
Ken from your writings I can only surmise that you have never spent much time with any artists and that your statements are based on assumptions and common misperceptions held by the ignorant. To say that ""artists dress very poorly, and no one ever sees their work since they have crummy ability to promote themselves. Those that do drop down to Whore." shows a lack of any real experience in the art world. While there are those who might meet the criteria of your ludicrous statement, there are just as many, more in fact, who do not.
Comments by hil on Sun, 06/16/02 18:22
Actually, I think Ken's problem is the satire was just badly written.
Comments by Brian Kosoff on Sun, 06/16/02 18:47
Hil, Ken has made similarly disparaging stereotypical statements in other writings on his site, as well as a few comments up on this site. There is a big difference between labelling someone a "rich amateur" or a "snapshooter" than labelling them a "whore". The vast majority of siginificant art produced over the last 500 years was produced either on assignment, commission or for sale. Artists have to eat as well. And most people who have pursued careers in art have not done so for a love of money but for a love of art. There are far easier and more lucrative ways of making a living. Succeeding as an artist is not necessarily a sign that you "sold out". And having talent at marketing yourself does not denigrate the quality of your work. Work of merit does not only come from starving, "poorly dressed" people who are unable to promote themselves.
Comments by Ken Rockwell on Sat, 07/06/02 16:10
So I win then, right?
Comments by Brian Kennedy on Sat, 07/06/02 16:23
Comments by B. LEE CODDINGTON on Sun, 07/07/02 08:56
You don't give the banker any meat and you don't give the butcher
Comments by Christel Green on Sun, 07/07/02 09:07
Ah - somebody pulled this one out again :)
Comments by Robert Williams on Sat, 08/10/02 07:19
As far as the "left handed camera" goes, how did the product change his wristwatch from the left (in poster photo and about me photo)to his right wrist (home photo)?
Comments by hil on Sat, 08/10/02 18:10
heheh i do believe u schnazzled him. the strap around his torso backs u up.
Comments by Robert Williams on Mon, 08/12/02 13:02
REST IN PEACE Galen and Barbara Rowell. Their plane crashed (08/11/02)before it got to the runway in Bishop Calif where the Rowell`s new Mountain Light gallery is located.
Comments by hil on Mon, 08/12/02 13:44
Comments by Cleeo W on Mon, 08/12/02 13:45
Yeah... I just went to www.mountianlight.com... Sure enough. Thanks for passing on the info.
Comments by Amitabh deshpande on Mon, 08/12/02 13:47
wow. thanks for posting that.
Comments by hil on Mon, 08/12/02 13:47
Comments by Art Sands on Mon, 08/12/02 13:54
This is a very sad moment - Galen Rowell was definitely one of the best.
Comments by hil on Mon, 08/12/02 13:56
i hope they didnt catch it on film/video... that would send BK into apoplexy
Comments by Brian Kosoff on Mon, 08/12/02 15:00
Sad to hear it. I was just out there 2 weeks ago and was going to pay my respects. We were forced back by the smoke from Sequoia NP and never made it to the gallery.
Comments by T.S. Sullivan on Mon, 08/12/02 17:28
didn't know this.......spent a lot of time on that website....definitely some very fine photography...a great loss
Comments by T.S. Sullivan on Mon, 08/12/02 17:33
whoops...meant to add this
Comments by christian sereduke on Thu, 07/08/04 12:14
Comments by Art Sands on Fri, 10/19/07 00:14
an interesting post from the good old days
Comments by Lance M. Williams on Fri, 10/19/07 03:30
Yeah, I'm gonna read Ken Rocknotsowell...
Comments by Tony Scheuhammer on Fri, 10/19/07 13:41
Ken Rockwell is a much better writer than he is a photographer.
Comments by Alias on Fri, 10/19/07 15:39